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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 699

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oh good grief for the 27th of february

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2022 richard saunders coming to you from

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sydney australia

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a very long way

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ukraine who are in our thoughts and in

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the news at the moment

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for all the wrong reasons it's a

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terribly sad

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and uh frightening situation unfolding

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at the moment as i record this the

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russian forces have not uh yet

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overwhelmed kiev

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i hope they don't

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but it's not looking good

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and i was only chatting to one of my

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good friends the other day who is of

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ukrainian heritage

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and uh

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you can imagine how upsetting this is

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for her

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but let's uh let's turn our attentions

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to this week's episode of the skeptic

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zone we're going to start

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talk about changing the subject

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completely we're going to start with the

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old good old skeptical topic of ufos

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once again and i'm going to read a piece

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i wrote for the australian skeptic's

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website and the facebook page

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about a recent tv

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ufos exposed once again once again

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uncovering the truth about ufos

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that's getting a little bit repetitive

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anyway i'm going to cover this uh it was

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channel nine the nine network here in

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australia recently ran another ufo

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find out when i read this item

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following that it's the australian

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skeptic's newsletter read

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expertly brilliantly wonderfully well

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again once again by adrian hill in

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canada sort of makes sense doesn't it

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the australian skeptics newsletter

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read by a canadian

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another reading from the book of tim

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with tim mandum as tim once again pours

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magazine for more fascinating insights

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then to round off the show keeping with

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our ufo theme once again

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i run back to the trove archives

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and this time i think i'm concentrating

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more on the archives from north america

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about more people and their experiences

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if you do that do you tune into a

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podcast please keep listening at the end

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of the show for more announcements from

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on toast with a little bit

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oh ufos ufos

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they had the gift that keeps on

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day now i promise about people from

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old med practitioners to religious

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people to whatever promising that any

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day now x will happen or any day now

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ufos let's do the time warp again

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today's skeptics tend to look upon

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writing in the skeptic magazine in 2021

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volume 41 number three chief

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phenomenon reveals the truth

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hayes are we really alone

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u.s air force pilots and a navy

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servicemen however these videos namely

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have been explained and no they are not

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where each one is examined in detail

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week's show notes it's worth visiting

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it said here stupid explanation by

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the record anyway but just for the

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for the record who knows what the james

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webb telescope will discover but just

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there is no reason for us to think

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that there is no life out out there in

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probably not too close to earth but who

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that uh beings from another planet have

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that microbial life or very simple life

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their fringe beliefs over the years i've

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spoken to psychics ufo believers moon

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landing and eyes flat earthers hollow

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earthers and all manner of unusual

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conspiracy theorists but i've also

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talked to aids denialists white

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supremacists gay conversion therapists i

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even interviewed jim humble the inventor

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of miracle mineral supplement a form of

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industrial beliefs that he and his

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followers use to treat cancer and hiv

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this isn't a debate show my aim isn't to

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win an argument but when we listen to

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how people promote and justify the ideas

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that we disagree with even the dangerous

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ones i think we become much more

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effective at countering those ideas if

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that sounds like something you'd be

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interested in look for be reasonable on

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apple podcasts and everywhere else the

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hello everyone it's adrian hill from

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canada land of ice hockey the friendly

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giant mr dress up and so much more here

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to read the highlights from the

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australian skeptics newsletter

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this is newsletter number 142

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you can subscribe to this newsletter and

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other week complete with links to all

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the stories just visit

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but now let's get to the newsletter and

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see what tim mendom has lined up for us

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hi all says tim

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there's not a lot of covet in this

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edition but there is love

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love of all med and the love of

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frequencies that might be because today

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is 22 2 22

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or tuesday as some may call it which is

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obviously significant to psychics

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astrologers conspiracy theorists new

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agers endears and those of a similar

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bent

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the conversation discusses the

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fascination of this date and similar

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ones in an interesting article

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so on this auspicious day and until we

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get to thursday which won't be for

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another 11 years read on

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tim

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new zealand passes law banning

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conversion therapy

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new zealand's parliament has passed

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legislation that bans practices intended

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to forcibly change a person's sexual

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orientation gender identity or gender

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expression known as conversion therapy

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the government has said practices such

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as conversion therapy do not work are

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widely discredited and cause harm

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in australia queensland the a.c.t and

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victorian governments have passed

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legislation banning the practice with

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the australian labour party promising to

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do the same federally though actions in

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that jurisdiction weren't helped in 2018

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when health minister greg hunt called

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conversion therapy quote freedom of

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speech end quote and quote a different

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view end quote an opinion he somewhat

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recanted

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canada has also outlawed the practice

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channel 9's tv foray into ufo

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as you have just heard on this week's

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skeptic zone channel 9 makes a late

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addition to the plethora of programs on

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the same old debunked ufo sightings been

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there done that so why bother richard

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saunders wisely asks

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indian government pushes ayurveda

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internationally oh dear

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the indian ministry of ayurveda yoga

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naturopathy unani siddha suarygpa and

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homeopathy

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kindly abbreviated to

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ayush or ayush is pushing the

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traditional and largely debunked indian

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medical system of ayurveda into african

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and other countries through quote

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collaborative research work end quote

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this particular article reads in its own

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inimitable style like propaganda and

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could easily go into the bottom section

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of the newsletter if it wasn't such a

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prince charles love affair with alt med

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a review of edzard ernst's book about

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prince charles and his run-ins with said

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royal a book i think i need to check out

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ghost sightings during covet

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magical thinking sparked by the

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uncertainty of the pandemic could be

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behind a surge in hauntings and reports

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of messages beyond the grave this

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article is behind a paywall though you

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can get access via a free trial it looks

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at the reasons why people are showing an

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increasing belief in ghosts assuming it

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is increasing of course

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being home in lockdown and hearing

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strange sounds that you might not have

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noticed before not to mention the stress

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of a pandemic would be a good start

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another version of the article can be

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found here

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no paywall but an annoying number of ads

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and it conveniently gives itself credit

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for the piece rather than the original

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author which is quite naughty

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[Music]

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toward a more scientific study of ghosts

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the excellent aipt science takes a close

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look at a book supposedly on the

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scientific evidence for ghosts and isn't

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too convinced by the author's claims

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is there life after death

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that's the million dollar question

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when the bigelow institute for

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consciousness studies in nevada

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announced an essay contest in february

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2021 they were raising the stakes in

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quote what is set to become one of the

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most significant controversies in modern

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science end quote really

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the topic was the survival of

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consciousness after death and founder

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robert bigelow put up 1 million us

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dollars in prize money making it the

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monetary equivalent of the nobel

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it was later enlarged to 1.5 million

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the institute sought applicants who

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would take an evidentiary approach

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there were to be no quotations from

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scripture no faith-based outpourings

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adjudication would be according to legal

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and scientific standards of verification

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but as this article discusses there are

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significant differences between legal

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yeah nah

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the official podcast of new zealand

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skeptics what a great name

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the first episode of the kiwi podcast

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covers a trip to the anti-vaxx convoy

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blocking traffic in wellington a look at

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claims of undisclosed nanotechnology

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contained in the pfizer vaccine the

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secrets of audiophiles and an

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investigation of a christchurch

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restaurant with links to the

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controversial guru sree chin moy

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[Music]

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we we're working on the march 2022 issue

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of the skeptic but in the meantime you

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really can't go past the december 2021

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issue it features complete coverage of

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the great australian psychic prediction

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project possibly the largest of its kind

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ever undertaken and destined to be

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referenced for a future discussion on

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the topic of psychics

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so if you haven't subscribed yet now is

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the time to do so

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contact the editor if you're not sure if

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your existing subscription needs

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renewing

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[Music]

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items of interest

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do psychics pay taxes in canada i sure

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hope they do

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psychics have suggested that certain

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actions they undertake are forms of

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religious activity that require their

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earnings to be treated as charitable

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donations i.e not subject to state

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taxation

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but the canada bid is just the start

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this article is really a primer covering

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a series of legal and taxation issues

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you should be aware of if you're

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thinking of starting up in the psychic

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business

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billion us dollars per year so money and

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which side of the law you sit on are

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issues of concern

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how the love frequency is changing the

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you might not have realized that 528

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hertz is the quote love frequency end

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quote

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an ex-u.s navy seal and cia operative

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describes a military application quote

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love frequencies and love vibrations

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sending out love as a frequency to

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terrorists and to people that were

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causing problems it changed their

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vibration to the point where they were

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vulnerable and eventually they were

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taken out end quote

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doesn't sound very loving to us

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now i'm so disappointed that there is

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not a silliest story of the week for me

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to giggle at this time but there is more

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to read in the newsletter when you sign

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up and for now this is adrian hill

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signing off from snowy but beautiful

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good day this is dr carl karl krsnicki

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proud to be a skeptic and you can find

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out more about me at drcarl.com and get

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[Music]

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and now

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a reading from the book of tim

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[Music]

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with tim mendem

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hi my name is tim menden i'm the editor

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of the skeptic magazine and executive

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officer for australian skeptics inc

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today i'll be reading

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from the issue of the skeptic magazine

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december 2021 so a very recent issue

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that's volume 41 number four

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and this is from our section of the

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magazine called the cycle of life what

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goes around in which we start off with

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one rather obscure point and work

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through connections till we come back to

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where we started

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so let's look this time at movies

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now you probably know sir arthur conan

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doyle author of the sherlock holmes

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books and short stories as well as the

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professor challenger adventure series

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he always had an interest in the

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supernatural one of his early short

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stories called jay harpercook

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jefferson's statement from 1884 helped

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to populise the mystery of the abandoned

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vessel the mary celeste

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following the death of his son kingsley

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at the end of the first world war

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he died of pneumonia during the spanish

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flu epidemic

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cannondale's belief in spiritualism was

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strengthened

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in 1920 he met harry houdini and despite

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the escapologists being a further

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debunker of spiritualism they formed a

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friendship

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however

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the frenchie was seriously tested in

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june 1922 during a seance held in a

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hotel room in atlantic city new jersey

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cannondale's second wife jean not the

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mother of kingsley was a self-professed

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medium

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during the seance she arranged to

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contact houdini's mother cecilia

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they sat at a table in a darkened room

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lady doyle uttered strange sounds and

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began trembling she reached for a

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notebook and transcribed 15 pages of

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automatic writing

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she said the words were a message from

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houdini's mother

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they included passages like

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i am happy it's so different over here

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so much larger and more beautiful all

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sweetness nothing that hurts the doyle's

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00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:21,919
thought that houdini appeared deeply

571
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:24,240
moved but he subsequently publicly

572
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:25,760
announced that he did not believe that

573
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:28,559
the 15 pages of grammatical english were

574
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:31,200
a genuine message from beyond the grave

575
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:32,799
not least because his mother's english

576
00:24:36,789 --> 00:24:34,640
had been terrible

577
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:36,799
canadore was famously a supporter of the

578
00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:38,960
cottingly fairy photos

579
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:40,640
which were later shown to be fakes as

580
00:24:45,909 --> 00:24:43,360
many had attested at the time during

581
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:45,919
1922 conan doyle was on a tour of the

582
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:48,559
united states promoting spiritualism

583
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:50,400
houdini had invited him to attend the

584
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:52,400
annual meeting of the society of

585
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:54,080
american magicians

586
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:56,559
several days before the sales

587
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:58,880
because houdini and his fellow magicians

588
00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:00,640
had spoken out a great deal against

589
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:02,720
psychic frauds by replicating their

590
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:05,120
phenomena through stage magic conan

591
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:07,200
doyle anticipating more of the same at

592
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:09,120
the society's meeting

593
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:10,880
prepared a little trick of his own

594
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:13,120
bringing in a movie projector

595
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:15,600
he offered no explanation of what the

596
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:17,679
magicians were about to see

597
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:22,000
a film of real live dinosaurs

598
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:23,679
he presented the black and white silent

599
00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:25,840
film without titles or comments to a

600
00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:28,240
mesmerized audience or at least as far

601
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:30,159
as the media were concerned in the words

602
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:32,000
of a new york times report the following

603
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:34,799
day quote monsters of several million

604
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:37,840
years ago mostly of the dinosaur species

605
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:39,760
made love and killed each other in sir

606
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:41,200
arthur's pictures

607
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:42,960
prehistoric brutes that resembled

608
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:45,919
rhinoceroses magnified many times

609
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:48,000
equipped with enormous horns that

610
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:49,440
pointed forward like those of the

611
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,640
unicorn drove dinosaurs away from feasts

612
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:54,480
on one another

613
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:57,679
one monster like a horned toad of

614
00:26:01,990 --> 00:25:59,520
monumental proportions

615
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:02,000
presented an impenetrable surface of

616
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:03,200
armor plate

617
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:06,240
in attacking reptiles and moved along in

618
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:07,840
safety

619
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:09,600
the time story featured headlines

620
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:12,240
dinosaurs cavort in film for doyle

621
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:14,240
spiritist mystifies world famed

622
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:16,559
magicians with pictures of prehistoric

623
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:17,760
beasts

624
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:20,480
keeps origin a secret

625
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,480
doyle explained later to houdini that

626
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:24,720
these pictures are not a cult this is

627
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:26,880
psychic because everything that emanates

628
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:29,120
from the human spirit or human brain is

629
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:32,080
psychic it is not supernatural nothing

630
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:34,720
is it is preternatural in the sense that

631
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:37,279
it isn't known to our ordinary senses it

632
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:39,200
is the effect of the joining of on the

633
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:41,760
one hand of imagination and on the other

634
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:44,880
hand of some power of materialization

635
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:48,080
the imagination i may say comes to me

636
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:50,799
the materialization power comes from

637
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:52,400
elsewhere

638
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:54,320
because the materialization power came

639
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:56,799
from the hand of willis h o'brien

640
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:59,279
the cinema stop-motion animator who

641
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:01,120
several years later created the giant

642
00:27:06,789 --> 00:27:03,360
gorilla and various dinosaurs in the

643
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:06,799
1930 film king kong the dinosaurs khan

644
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:08,799
and doyle showed were early cuts from

645
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:11,120
the film o'brien was working on called

646
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:13,200
the lost world which eventually appeared

647
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:16,159
in 1925. the lost world incidentally was

648
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:18,000
the first ever in-flight movie screened

649
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:19,200
on an aircraft

650
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:21,440
cannondale himself had appeared in a

651
00:27:26,389 --> 00:27:23,679
short prologue to the film primarily

652
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:26,399
because it was based on his 1912 novel

653
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:28,080
of the same name

654
00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:30,640
his dedication in the book was i have

655
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:33,200
wrought my simple plan if i give one

656
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:35,919
hour of joy to the boy who's half a man

657
00:27:40,460 --> 00:27:38,000
or the man who's half a boy

658
00:27:46,389 --> 00:27:40,470
or possibly to mystified magicians

659
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:48,389
that's what goes around from september

660
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:49,440
21

661
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:51,679
volume 41 number four of the skeptic

662
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:53,120
magazine

663
00:27:57,470 --> 00:27:54,960
and you can read past issues with the

664
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:57,480
skeptic magazine on our website

665
00:28:02,389 --> 00:27:59,919
skeptics.com.edu for free

666
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:02,399
and part of this issue particularly

667
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:04,320
that is worthwhile reading is a special

668
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:07,120
article by richard saunders who you

669
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:09,440
might have heard of on the great psychic

670
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:11,200
prediction project you can download the

671
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:12,799
entire article with all the facts and

672
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:15,200
figures and fascinating information for

673
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:18,000
free so go to the website straight away

674
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:19,600
and while you're there subscribe to the

675
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:20,799
magazine

676
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:22,880
and you can read these articles before i

677
00:28:29,890 --> 00:28:37,510
[Music]

678
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:39,750
hello this is maynard did you know that

679
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:41,360
you could listen to the skeptic zone on

680
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:44,799
youtube yes i know sounds crazy but it's

681
00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:51,990
also you can hear 40 logical fallacies

682
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:53,919
with michelle bickersma and funny

683
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:55,360
sketches with richard saunders and a

684
00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:00,710
just click on the youtube links on the

685
00:29:12,510 --> 00:29:22,710
[Music]

686
00:29:28,269 --> 00:29:25,590
now it's time to hitch a ride on a ufo

687
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:28,279
and fly to those archives that drove at

688
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:31,360
trove.nla.gov dot eu although this week

689
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:33,840
we're flying even further we're flying

690
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:35,440
all the way to the united states to look

691
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:38,480
at some american archived newspapers

692
00:29:46,380 --> 00:29:40,880
and yes we're going to be looking at

693
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:48,630
[Music]

694
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:50,320
and as i mentioned at the top of the

695
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:52,960
show it's very nostalgic for me

696
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:55,520
personally to look at stories about ufos

697
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:56,880
they uh

698
00:30:01,990 --> 00:29:59,679
they remind me of the 1970s in

699
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:02,000
particular the late 1970s was movies

700
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:03,679
like close encounters

701
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:05,360
star wars

702
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:07,440
your revival of science fiction but

703
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:08,559
really

704
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:12,080
the intense interest in um

705
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:14,240
aliens and ufos

706
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:21,110
but let's look back through the years as

707
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:23,600
represented in various american

708
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:25,840
newspapers

709
00:30:30,110 --> 00:30:29,039
and we start our journey on the 25th of

710
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:30,120
august

711
00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:32,000
1977

712
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:34,840
bucks county courier times

713
00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:36,559
pennsylvania

714
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:39,679
florida woman tells of meeting aliens

715
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:41,279
from space

716
00:30:45,170 --> 00:30:43,200
by mark hossenball

717
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:45,180
courier times special writer

718
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:46,720
[Music]

719
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:49,200
lydia stalnaker and doomsayer with a

720
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:51,760
difference came to bucks county last

721
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:53,520
night and foretold

722
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:55,600
the apocalypse

723
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:57,760
lydia a 30-year-old businesswoman from

724
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:00,000
jacksonville florida says she was

725
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:04,320
abducted one day in august 1974 by

726
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:08,559
god-fearing aliens in a circular ufo

727
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:11,440
the aliens she says gave her x-ray

728
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:13,360
vision and the power to heal

729
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:15,760
they merged her spirit with that of an

730
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:18,480
alien woman so they could monitor the

731
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:20,799
goings on on earth

732
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:22,720
and they told her to watch for the end

733
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:25,600
of the world in three years

734
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:29,039
when armageddon comes says lydia she and

735
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:31,200
other good living right-thinking people

736
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:34,480
will be transported to a large noah's

737
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:36,799
ark in the sky

738
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:39,600
there to be held in blissful limbo until

739
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:40,960
an earth

740
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,760
free of hatred and strife is born anew

741
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:47,760
crowded meeting

742
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:49,919
the venue for those woeful predictions

743
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:52,399
was the leviton public recreation

744
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:55,760
association lpra

745
00:32:02,149 --> 00:31:59,039
building where lydia stollnecker

746
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:02,159
addressed a hastily organized but

747
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:04,399
crowded public meeting called by a group

748
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:06,399
of willing borough

749
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:09,519
new jersey ufo enthusiasts

750
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:11,760
lynn tyler vice president of the willing

751
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:12,960
borough group

752
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:17,200
which styles itself delval ufo inc says

753
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:20,159
the meeting was fated because lydia had

754
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:22,640
been told by her extraterrestrial

755
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:24,159
contacts she

756
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:28,399
eventually would address a ufo society

757
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:31,519
but tyler also conceded the first she

758
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:34,000
and her group had heard of lydia was

759
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:36,799
when they saw her on a philadelphia tv

760
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:39,039
program last week

761
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:41,440
they subsequently met her at a public

762
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:43,600
meeting and asked her to yesterday's

763
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:45,919
gathering tyler said

764
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:48,880
lydia a former model and mobile home

765
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:51,600
dealer runs a faith healing clinic in

766
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:54,559
florida she said she is on a nationwide

767
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:57,039
revival tour complete with agents

768
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:58,960
managers and a band

769
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:01,919
she said she starts the college lecture

770
00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:04,159
circuit next week

771
00:33:09,269 --> 00:33:06,159
chosen one

772
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:09,279
lydia said the aliens told her she was

773
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:11,600
chosen to spread the word of the coming

774
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:12,799
holocaust

775
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:16,000
which was inevitable so long as humanity

776
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:19,600
remained intent on its destructive path

777
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:21,440
of destruction

778
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:23,760
but she said she was trying to spread

779
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:26,799
the word so more would be saved

780
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:28,960
when the day came

781
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:32,399
lydia said she doesn't actually remember

782
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:35,519
going aboard her ufo the first time in

783
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:37,679
fact she said she blacked out while

784
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:39,760
driving near jacksonville that day two

785
00:33:43,509 --> 00:33:40,880
years ago

786
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:43,519
and woke up feeling ill she said she

787
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:45,120
went to a psychologist after

788
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:47,279
subsequently suffering headaches and

789
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:49,600
hearing strange voices

790
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:52,960
under deep hypnosis lydia said

791
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:55,760
other psychologists and doctors later

792
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:58,799
teased out of her the story about the

793
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:00,720
visitor border ufo

794
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:04,000
lydia said she still feared she was

795
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:06,399
going mad until a doctor at tucson

796
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:09,280
arizona ufo institute the aerial

797
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:12,240
phenomena research organization

798
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:15,359
certified her story was true

799
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:16,320
quote

800
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:19,119
beyond reasonable doubt

801
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:20,879
end quote

802
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:22,240
also

803
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:24,000
well read

804
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:25,359
since then

805
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:27,839
judging from her presentation last night

806
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:30,560
she has become well read in the

807
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:33,280
literature of the supernatural she

808
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:36,879
showed slides of unattributed newspaper

809
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:39,919
and magazine articles on previous

810
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:42,480
alleged ufo incidents

811
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:45,040
lydia says the aliens picked her up

812
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:48,240
again earlier this year she was

813
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:50,560
conscious this time she said and it was

814
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:52,800
on this occasion they told her of the

815
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:56,320
coming apocalypse and gave her x-ray and

816
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:59,040
healing powers lydia said that she

817
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:00,880
eventually will be given

818
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:03,599
seven special powers in all

819
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:05,520
throughout her presentation lydia made

820
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:08,400
reference to the healing power of a

821
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:11,200
magnetic device which the aliens had

822
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:13,119
demonstrated for her

823
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:15,599
in the rear of the meeting room a man

824
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:16,480
who

825
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:19,119
said he was from the knight foundation

826
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:20,560
of jacksonville

827
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:23,119
sold leather bands studded with small

828
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:24,240
magnets

829
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:26,720
he said the bands were made to lydia's

830
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:28,480
specifications

831
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:31,200
the band sold for seven dollars wrist

832
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:32,160
size

833
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:36,480
and 15

834
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:38,079
waist size

835
00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:40,240
there was no admission charge to the

836
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:42,640
meeting but those attending were asked

837
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:46,320
to donate two dollars to defray lydia's

838
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:48,880
traveling expenses

839
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:50,320
i wonder

840
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:53,200
whatever happened to lydia

841
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:56,480
and 1977 so the apocalypse should have

842
00:36:02,790 --> 00:35:59,839
happened around 1980.

843
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:02,800
i guess i was looking the other way

844
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:06,960
you can't make this stuff up but um

845
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:09,760
i guess somebody did

846
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:12,880
and finally we skip ahead a decade or

847
00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:15,200
two to 1994

848
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:18,400
in medicine hat news i think medicine

849
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:19,200
hat

850
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:22,960
if i'm not mistaken is in canada

851
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:24,560
9th of july

852
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:29,760
man's job is to document ufos

853
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:34,160
by ruth dunley the london free press

854
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:37,119
it's not always a dark and stormy night

855
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:39,760
in fact quite often it's on a day just

856
00:36:45,150 --> 00:36:42,240
like any other that people report seeing

857
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:45,160
unidentified flying objects or

858
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:47,040
extraterrestrials

859
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:49,599
hundreds perhaps thousands of north

860
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:52,320
americans believe they have seen a ufo

861
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:55,119
or have encountered one of its alien

862
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:56,240
crew

863
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:57,839
some authorities say the number of

864
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:00,160
reports of alien abductions has been

865
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:02,560
increasing over the years

866
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:05,040
it's a phenomenon that has split

867
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:07,599
scientists and the general public into

868
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,680
two camps of believers

869
00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:11,760
and disbelievers

870
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:15,280
tom theo thanos documents dozens of ufo

871
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:18,160
sightings across ontario every year as

872
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:20,880
an assistant director of the mutual ufo

873
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:24,320
network mufon in toronto the

874
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:26,320
organization has offices around the

875
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:29,040
world and works with more than 1 000

876
00:37:35,829 --> 00:37:32,160
consultants in researching ufo sightings

877
00:37:38,069 --> 00:37:35,839
enigma ufos are starting to become

878
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:38,079
treated as real science a scientific

879
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:40,320
enigma he says

880
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:42,320
which it always should have been

881
00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:45,920
theothenus who has never seen a ufo or

882
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:48,400
encountered aliens says his office

883
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:51,520
receives about 200 calls a year

884
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:55,040
of those reported sightings 85 to 90 can

885
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:57,440
be explained by natural phenomena such

886
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:01,200
as stars planets and media showers the

887
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:04,400
rest have not been explained and i'm

888
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:06,160
sure that's just the typo should have

889
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:09,599
been the rest have not been explained

890
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:12,160
forty percent of the indexed sightings

891
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:14,480
he says are reports from people claiming

892
00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:17,040
to have met or have been abducted by

893
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:20,000
aliens while mufon received six to

894
00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:21,520
twelve reports of sightings in

895
00:38:27,069 --> 00:38:24,400
southwestern ontario every year

896
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:27,079
the office has recently received a

897
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:29,839
disproportionate number of calls from

898
00:38:34,470 --> 00:38:30,960
the area

899
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:34,480
the athanas believes this may be due to

900
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:37,440
his recent appearance on a windsor

901
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:40,079
television show he says publicity about

902
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:42,320
mufon always influences the number of

903
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:44,640
calls the office receives

904
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:46,480
strange objects

905
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:48,800
bonnie wheeler is a self-employed

906
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:51,680
distributor of microwave popcorn in

907
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:52,960
cambridge

908
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,240
she is also a ufo researcher who has

909
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:58,560
been investigating sightings of strange

910
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:00,800
airborne objects over southern ontario

911
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:02,960
since 1976.

912
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:05,280
wheeler president of the cambridge ufo

913
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:07,280
research group has never encountered an

914
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:10,720
alien but she receives about three phone

915
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,560
calls a year

916
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:14,400
from people who think they have been

917
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:16,640
face to face with extraterrestrial

918
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:17,839
beings

919
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:20,160
i would have to be very naive to not

920
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:22,960
believe that there's something going on

921
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:24,320
she says

922
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:26,079
one of the most frustrating things for

923
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:28,560
people who think they've seen a ufo

924
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:31,680
or been abducted is the disbelief they

925
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:33,760
encounter from friends families the news

926
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:36,560
media and the general public

927
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:38,880
despite people's reluctance to step

928
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:43,440
forward with ufo stories a 1993 study by

929
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:46,800
the late carlton university professor

930
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:48,400
nicholas spanis

931
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:50,720
suggested that those who believe they

932
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:53,680
have had a close encounter with aliens

933
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:55,359
are just as intelligent and

934
00:40:01,030 --> 00:39:58,160
psychologically healthy as others

935
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:01,040
some like londoner richard cote

936
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:04,079
turned to the television show unsolved

937
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:06,240
mysteries for help

938
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:09,359
tim rogan co-ordinator producer of the

939
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:12,560
show says the program receives hundreds

940
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:15,440
of calls a year from people like cote

941
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:17,839
rogens says that while the show has been

942
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:20,240
helpful in solving many crimes and

943
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:21,359
mysteries

944
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:23,520
it has failed to come up with any clues

945
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:26,720
about ufos and alien abductions the

946
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:29,119
unexplained stories in the category have

947
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:31,520
remained unexplained said rogan from his

948
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:34,560
office in burbank california adding that

949
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:36,960
unsolved mysteries will focus on the

950
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:40,160
issue in a special show next season

951
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:43,440
dorothy lewis a sarnia telephone sales

952
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:46,319
person and field researcher for mufon

953
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:49,280
says she has been investigating ufo

954
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:51,040
reports across southern ontario since

955
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:52,720
1967

956
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:55,280
lewis says there are several steps

957
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:59,359
involved in reporting a ufo sighting or

958
00:41:02,950 --> 00:41:00,560
abduction

959
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:02,960
lewis first interviews the person about

960
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:05,200
the experience if the person reports

961
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:07,680
that the ufo touched down

962
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:09,200
lewis will visit the site and take

963
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:10,560
photographs

964
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:12,640
there are also a series of forms and

965
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:14,400
questionnaires to be filled out but

966
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:16,880
lewis says the person who files the

967
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:19,440
report always has the option to remain

968
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:22,319
anonymous due to what she calls

969
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:24,960
the ridicule factor when a file is

970
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:27,760
complete lewis forwards it to mufon's

971
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:30,720
provincial directorate in mississauga

972
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:32,800
eventually all reports are retained at

973
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:35,119
mufon headquarters in texas

974
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:38,079
the national research council of canada

975
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:40,560
has been recording ufo sightings since

976
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:42,720
1947

977
00:41:49,349 --> 00:41:46,720
nrc officials say they receive about 100

978
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:49,359
sightings annually the majority of which

979
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:52,240
are forwarded to the rcmp

980
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:54,640
transport canada and the department of

981
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:58,079
national defense the nrc holds reports

982
00:42:02,150 --> 00:42:00,240
on sightings for one year

983
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:02,160
and then transfers them to the

984
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:05,040
government archive division

985
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:09,599
confidential an nrc spokesperson says

986
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:12,240
privacy legislation requires that the

987
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:14,000
names of the people who report the

988
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:16,400
sightings be kept confidential

989
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,640
but all reports from 1966 to 1981 are

990
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:22,800
open to the public because all

991
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:25,040
confidential information has been

992
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:26,079
removed

993
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:29,119
the files on reports beyond 1981 are

994
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:32,160
closed because confidential information

995
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:34,319
has yet to be removed

996
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:36,319
some of those convinced of alien

997
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:38,640
abductions believe government officials

998
00:42:43,829 --> 00:42:41,200
are actually hiding the truth about ufos

999
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:43,839
and extraterrestrials cloaking it behind

1000
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:47,440
the veil of official confidentiality

1001
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:49,760
some have even suggested the government

1002
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:52,319
is reluctant to release the information

1003
00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:55,040
because it might incite

1004
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:57,520
panic second lieutenant mike bellavi

1005
00:43:01,990 --> 00:42:59,760
works in the public affairs division of

1006
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:02,000
norad's canadian regional headquarters

1007
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:03,599
in north bay

1008
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:06,319
he says it's true that not all aircraft

1009
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:08,640
in canadian airspace can be identified

1010
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:11,760
but unidentified craft are not assumed

1011
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:14,640
to be ufos with aliens aboard

1012
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:17,040
in most cases he says it may be a

1013
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:18,960
legitimate aircraft that could not be

1014
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:21,280
identified quickly enough or drug

1015
00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:23,839
smugglers who are skilled in avoiding

1016
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:25,119
detection

1017
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:27,520
while the total number of these unknowns

1018
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,920
is classified information again a sore

1019
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:31,440
point for those convinced of a

1020
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:33,200
government conspiracy

1021
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:36,000
norad will say that 22

1022
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:38,240
unidentified craft were charted in

1023
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:40,000
canadian airspace in the last three

1024
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:41,040
months

1025
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:43,200
if we are getting other visitors from

1026
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:45,920
other areas i'd love to talk to them

1027
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:47,920
chuckles belevi

1028
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:50,720
but as far as any government conspiracy

1029
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:52,400
i'm definitely out of the loop

1030
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:54,560
psychologist robert baker says there is

1031
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:57,200
no conspiracy baker a retired professor

1032
00:44:01,829 --> 00:43:59,520
at the university of kentucky is a

1033
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:01,839
specialist in hypnosis and has done

1034
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:05,040
extensive research on the paranormal

1035
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:06,640
no evidence

1036
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:08,960
there is no scientific evidence to

1037
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:11,920
support these claims he says flatly

1038
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:13,920
baker a member of the scientific

1039
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:15,440
committee for the scientific

1040
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:17,040
investigation of claims of the

1041
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:18,240
paranormal

1042
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:20,640
says alien abductions can be explained

1043
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:23,599
by sleep disorder that is experienced by

1044
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:26,800
45 percent of the population practically

1045
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:29,760
all sleep specialists recognize this he

1046
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:30,640
says

1047
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:33,440
all of the symptoms the abductees report

1048
00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:36,079
are the same as the symptoms of sleep

1049
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:37,359
paralysis

1050
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:39,440
when you hypnotize someone and talk to

1051
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:41,599
them you are turning on their

1052
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:44,160
imagination baker argues that improper

1053
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:46,880
use of hypnosis has created all kinds of

1054
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:49,119
problems human memory doesn't work like

1055
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:51,599
a computer or tape recorder and we fill

1056
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:53,839
in the gaps it's not a reliable guide to

1057
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:56,319
the truth baker says media reports about

1058
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:58,079
abductions and popular culture have

1059
00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:59,040
created

1060
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:01,920
an environment in which more and more

1061
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,079
people become eager to report abductions

1062
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:08,079
attention getters

1063
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:09,760
the more attention it gets the more

1064
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:13,040
people claim to have been abducted he

1065
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:15,119
dismisses evidence like bruises

1066
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:17,359
scratches and puncture marks saying

1067
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:18,400
people can

1068
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:21,200
simulate these marks quite easily many

1069
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:23,359
abductees claim to have been

1070
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:26,400
used in breeding experiments with aliens

1071
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:29,440
they claim baker dismisses as ridiculous

1072
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:31,440
we can't even breed with chimpanzees

1073
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:33,920
which are our closest relatives how in

1074
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:35,520
heavens are we supposed to breed with

1075
00:45:40,630 --> 00:45:38,079
aliens the stories these people tell

1076
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:40,640
reveal a terrible ignorance of science

1077
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:42,720
and the next little paragraph doesn't

1078
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:45,280
quite make sense but i'll read it anyway

1079
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:46,400
baker says

1080
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:49,440
those claiming to have been fact

1081
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:52,000
that there are skeptics doesn't mean

1082
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:53,599
they're right

1083
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,960
she says

1084
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:56,880
for those who remain skeptical lewis

1085
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:59,040
says ufo and alien encounters usually

1086
00:46:03,990 --> 00:46:01,680
happen when people least expect it at

1087
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:04,000
night when they're alone

1088
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:05,920
if you happen to be driving down a

1089
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:08,240
lonely road and it's late at night you

1090
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:10,079
may have a close encounter

1091
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:12,880
so satirical lures and again we have an

1092
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:16,000
odd situation where there is a

1093
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:18,079
misprint or the last paragraph has been

1094
00:46:25,310 --> 00:46:19,920
half repeated again

1095
00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:28,870
[Music]

1096
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:30,480
and you might be able to hear i've got a

1097
00:46:37,270 --> 00:46:34,720
couple of ufos flying over me right now

1098
00:46:40,829 --> 00:46:37,280
namely a

1099
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:40,839
jet going from sydney to

1100
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:43,359
singapore although normally i tried to

1101
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:45,599
record around these jets

1102
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:47,839
today they seem to be coming in at about

1103
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:49,599
three minute intervals so it's very

1104
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:50,880
difficult

1105
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:53,040
as the rain pours down

1106
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:03,190
so there we go some interesting reports

1107
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:05,280
over the decades from the united states

1108
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:06,560
and canada

1109
00:47:13,109 --> 00:47:10,000
about

1110
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:13,119
ufos investigations skeptics

1111
00:47:17,349 --> 00:47:15,680
and abductees

1112
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:17,359
and don't forget you can look up all

1113
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:19,119
sorts of things about ufos and other

1114
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:23,200
things of course by visiting trove at

1115
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:25,760
dot trove.nla.gov.a u for australian

1116
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:28,559
reports and newspapers or why don't you

1117
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:29,760
check out

1118
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:32,000
your local reference guides no matter

1119
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:33,760
where you are in the world

1120
00:47:40,430 --> 00:47:36,240
and like me you'll never know

1121
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:40,440
what aliens you might find

1122
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:01,030
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1123
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:04,319
zone thank you again to my patreon

1124
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:06,480
supporters and paypal supporters and

1125
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:08,400
here is a message from one of my patreon

1126
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:09,839
supporters stuart

1127
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:11,440
who said that he and his wife were

1128
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:13,200
listening to the skeptic's own podcast

1129
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:17,200
last week that was episode number 689

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and they were quite delighted that i

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took the time to cover the nurses and

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midwives association protest on the 15th

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of february you will recall i was

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downtown

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in amongst the protesters

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because as i think i said last week they

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have a valid point i support them and

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where would we be

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without them

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now stuart points out on the matter of

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ratios you may have heard some nurses

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talking about ratios last week as i was

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interviewing them

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stuart says this aspect of health care

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management goes far deeper and has

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existed longer than just covert related

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shortages and other short-term

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difficulties

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we are facing presently

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he says minimum staff ratios exist

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obviously to ensure patient safety and

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good outcomes

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but far too often hospitals in new south

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wales operate without satisfying any

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standard or benchmark and the covert

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situation exacerbated this further

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legislating these ratios would require

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hospitals in new south wales to treat

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this aspect as one of critical

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importance to their operation

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as against allowing it to become a

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middle or low priority issue too many

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nurses in hospitals are leaving the

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profession due to being overwhelmed

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and under-appreciated a very sad state

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of affairs he says it would allow most

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of your listeners as it does me to know

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how often nurses are working double

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shifts

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being called in during the night and

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then being required to work a full shift

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the next day being rushed off their feet

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for the entire shifts day after day or

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having little or no training in the

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procedures they are to perform due to

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lack of resources for in-service

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education

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good points stuart good points thanks

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for letting me know

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and

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as you've just heard i've passed those

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along to the listeners and i will link

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to a

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web page here from the new south wales

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nurses and midwives association

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which covers this issue more

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if you'd like to see that just head to

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this week's show notes

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now coming up this week on thursday

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night here in sydney sydney skeptics in

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the pub online we have

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saucy science saucy signs saucy science

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saucy signs of dr catherine king all the

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bits that are not suitable for kids

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this does sound like an interesting talk

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catherine is a science communicator with

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newcastle museum and loves nothing more

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than performing science shows for kids

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now you can find out more by visiting

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meetup and looking for australian

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skeptics or our twitch or the australian

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skeptic's twitch pages twitch.tv slash

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australian skeptics check that out on

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thursday night i'll be hosting that

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sounds like a lot of fun

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of course there are also other regular

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events from canberra for example

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they have regular online meetups and

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next month i'll be speaking for my dear

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friends in victoria the vic skeptics

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i'll be covering the great australian

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psyche prediction project

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and uh if you're listening michelle i

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will get you my details my bio had an

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outline of my talk very soon

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i've been a bit slack in doing that

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but hell any excuse to chat with

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michelle is a good excuse

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oh those fond memories of japanese

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pancakes

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yum

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now you might think that i have

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something special cooked up for episode

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700 it's a big milestone but not

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particularly no i don't

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um

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possibly because of the

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the situation around the world at the

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moment it's um maybe not a time for big

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celebrations i don't know

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i'll see if i can put together a good

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show for you

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nevertheless and regardless and if you

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want to help me celebrate in any event

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show 700 show 700

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and why not um type in seven dollars or

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seventy dollars

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dare i say seven hundred dollars to the

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skeptic zone and you can do that at

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skepticzone.tv

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just click the link there for patreon or

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paypal 700.

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it's hard to imagine but that's what

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i'll be working on this week for the

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next episode

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now this saturday night this saturday

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night

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tune in

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for planet maynard maynard will be doing

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a

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video show

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and check out the information about that

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at

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in australia don't miss it maynard looks

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at the coldest 100

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i was with maynard not long ago to help

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him

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put some of that together and we had a

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lot of fun unbelievable amount of fun

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you have with maynard and

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as his fans and viewers know his online

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shows are really great really great fun

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check it out go to maynard.com.eu

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and prepare for next saturday night

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but for this week

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and who knows what the next week will

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bring us who knows

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this is richard saunders signing off

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